Monday, July 8, 2013

Strider PT CC Review

 
From that silhouette alone you know what knife this review is about, or at least which brand (provided you ignored the title of the post). That profile is famous among knife knuts and for good reason. It is the profile of one of the most expensive, controversial, and storied production knives in modern times. From the price, to the fit and finish, to the maker--nothing about Strider is without controversy.

Let's get the obvious and painful stuff out of the way: there is good evidence that Mick Strider has had legal problems. Here is a summary. Folks work very hard to keep that link at the top of the Google results for "Mick Strider." If true, the things represent a serious lapse in judgment. They are especially painful to most folks that care about gear as they seem to tarnish the reputation of the US military, or, in the least, borrow it without permission. But here is the thing--everyone makes mistakes. It is what you do after the mistake that matters. After his mistake or mistakes Mick Strider has made some fucking awesome knives. If you can't get past this issue, I totally understand and I can readily see how people can't, but I can and if you can too, keep reading.

Here (USN log in required) is a comprehensive (and I mean COMPREHENSIVE) overview of the entire Strider folder line, current and out of production models. There are five main folders in the Strider line up: the beastly SMF, the medium (but still large) SnG, the diminutive PT, the SJ, and the SJ Mini. There are a few knives that pop up into production every once in a while and there are many different flame patterns, steels, blade shapes, handle materials and textures, and a bevy of custom versions. Additionally, the SnG and the PT come in clipless models with convex handle scales. These are the Concealed Carry models. This is a review of the PT CC.

The PT was a model that many Strider fans were not thrilled with from the beginning. It did not fit their idea of what a Strider folder was, in large part because it was too small. Striders were beast blades, not pocket trinkets. But over time folks warmed up to an Strider-shaped knife that was eminently pocketable. But there were problems with the pivot screw and the lock face geometry. Time and again the PT would go out of production and come back with a tweak. This is not a bad thing. It is a testament to Strider's commitment to getting things right. Would you prefer they do nothing and let a slightly substandard product leave their production facilities for sale? But it did make buying one a challenge. One other thing that made finding a PT vexing was their tendency to produce only PT or PT CC versions at one time. Every time I though I could tolerate the roughly handle scales of the PT model, the CC was the only thing available and vice versa. Finally, I decided to bite the bullet, having handled a PT CC at a recent knife show and falling under its thrall immediately. About a month and half ago a small package arrived with my PT CC, a Ranger Green model. It has been my most carried knife ever since (even more than the Dragonfly). This, my friends, is one hell of a blade.

Here is the product page.  There is a great deal of price uniformity.  New PTs of either variety cost $300. Here is a written review. Here is a video review.   Here is a link to Blade HQ, where you can find the Strider PT, and all proceeds benefit the site when you purchase things through this link (they come in small waves so they may not be in at Blade HQ when this review goes live):

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Finally, here is my beloved PT CC:

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Twitter Review Summary: Perfectly sized, sumptuously finished, and cuts for an eternity--an ideal EDC with one flaw...

Design: 2

The ratios are above average to very good.  The blade:handle is .73 (much worse if you subtract the choil, but I actually prefer a choil as it makes the cutting edge more useful than simply adding length).  The blade:weight is 1.15 (again worse if you are looking at just cutting edge).  These are not all time greats, but the blade:weight is quite good.  The blade:handle is probably around average (one day I am going to go back and calculate all of the data so I know what average is). 

Here is the PT CC up next to the Zippo a.k.a. the common object used for size comparisons. 

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Here is the PT CC in my medium sized hands:

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Fit and Finish: 2

If you watch DarkChild's review (the link above) for the PT you are left with this impression that this is an overpriced undercooked blade. Warnings like this one confirm that reputation. Undaunted, I ordered one anyway and what arrived was simply put the finest finished knife and perhaps piece of gear I have ever handled. Only the McGizmo Haiku, the Muyshondt Aeon, and the Al Mar Ultralight Hawk are in the same league. Even the vaunted Sebenza is not QUITE the polished beauty that the PT CC is. It starts with the blade, of course. There is a small angled cant to the knife when the blade is open giving the edge an aggressive posture towards the cutting material. The edge and grind are spectacular, more on that below, but the stonewash is like nothing I have ever seen. It is glorious, almost jewel like.

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The convex handles are nicely shaped and fall into the hand perfectly during use. The entire knife has a buffed feel to it, as if it has been used for a decade and then refinished to bring the materials back to a high level of polish. The G10 is smooth, not as smooth as a silken G10 on the de Coene Hybrid, but pretty darn nice. The jimping is smooth in on direction, but grippy in the other. The lock is well made, but more that below. Perhaps Strider has gotten better at QC or perhaps the CC lines are fussed over more. Whatever the answer, there is no reasonable basis to complain about fit and finish on this knife. It is as good as I have seen on a production blade.

Grip: 2

This is, folks, why that silhouette is so well-known. These knives, from the biggest SMF to this, the smallest PT, simply melt in your hand. The choil is excellent, allowing for excellent control of the cutting edge, and the rest of the knife handle fills your hand. The jimping on the knife is quite good and well-placed. Just letting this knife rest, in place, across your fingers tells you how well designed it is. Every single cut and curve, every straight line and run of jimping is in service to the act of cutting. This knife is among my favorite folders in the hand, and despite its diminutive size, it allows for a comfy four finger grip.

Carry: 2

The PT CC's light weight and curved shape go a long way in making this a very pocketable knife.  One thing that seems like a small touch but really puts this knife over the time in terms of carry, is the thoroughly smoothed out and polished feel.  It is as if this knife has been carried and handled everyday for a decade, gaining the softened edges and warmth that regular use provides.  This knife has Atwood's famous "buttered" edges on virtually every surface.  All of this makes for a glorious, pocket-friendly blade.

Steel: 2

Ah...S35VN.  I really do like this stuff, this being the fourth knife I have reviewed with Crucible's next-gen EDC steel.  It holds an edge very well.  It is not impossible to sharpen.  It resists all forms of corrosion that you'd encounter during normal wear and use.  The standard cutting test tasks--push cutting paper and cardboard and whittling wood--were very easy here.  The knife didn't come insanely sharp out of the box, but the edge held up well over a long month of cutting.  Additionally because of the thick blade stock, it was more durable than a knife of this size would normally be.

Blade Shape: 2

That blade shape...oh...that blade shape.  It is the classic spear point Strider and though they have branched out significantly from this original shape it is because of a desire to experiment, not any problems they incurred.  This is perhaps, my favorite all time blade shape, better than the Sebenza's clip point because the tip is sturdier.

Behold, the classic:

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Also I know a lot of people grumble about the cutting edge consuming choil but the reality is the control it gives you over the blade is well worth the trade off.  Every roll in which you could reasonable use this knife, the choil is worth the real estate.

Grind: 2

The grind is a virtually full flat grind.  That is pretty awesome.  The cutting bevel is quite well done.  No complaints there.  But the star here is the ricasso.  Really, you might be asking, the friggin' ricasso?  Yes, the ricasso.  How many shit ricassos have you seen?  Even on expensive knives?  Tons.  How many on Spyderco knives?  Tons.  Yet here, it works.  Not only does it prevent your finger from getting sliced if it moves forward and out of the choil, it makes sharpening the ENTIRE cutting edge a dream.  

Deployment Method: 2

I GUESS you could the thumb studs, if you really, really had to, but the best bet for ideal performance is the oval thumb hole.  The positioning is just right (hitting close to the Spyderco magic number of 1.1 inches, I get something just over 1 inch here).  

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The hole is cut sharply enough to grab the fat pad on your thumb (who you callin' fat?).  And the pivot flows like a jeweled movement on a watch.  This isn't the fastest set up in the world, but it is a very, very good one.  

Retention Method: 0

No clip.  So sad.  I'll fix that.  Oh yeah, I hate lanyards.   

Lock: 2

Look at that, just look AT THAT:

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After some fidgeting, Strider got it right.  The angled face and angled tang meet up in perfect unison and the result is a strong, stable lock, but one that disengages quickly when you mean to do so.  Also, the jimping on the lock bar aids in disengagement. 

Overall Score: 18 out of 20

This is about as good as you can get for an EDC knife. I like it better than my Sebenza and at least as much as the Dragonfly.  It is a superior tool, with exalted fit and finish. I just miss having a pocket clip. As much as I tried, I couldn't get around not having one, and so I decided to have one made. See here for more details. This knife is just better than the normal PTs I have handled. There are so many little touches that make it insanely great. I love this knife.  If this particular PT CC is an example of the entire line, Striders are, in my opinion, worth they money and earn their reputation. This is a great pocket knife.

The cost is something that warrants its own special comment.  Andrew often points out on the podcast that he is not sure why these knives are so expensive.  S35VN is a great steel, but it is not exactly Damascus or SM100.  The framelock is well made, but so are many framelocks on cheaper knives, such as the ZT560, and it is not often that the ZT560 is the cheaper knife in a discussion.  What gives?  What makes this tiny blade worth $300?  First, like the Sebenza, it does a lot of things very, very well.  It has thicker than normal steel for a blade of this size, meaning that it can cut and pry more than you'd expect for a 2.75 inch blade.  The blade shape is quite nice and very useful.  The fit and finish is superb.  There is just very little this knife does poorly.  It is an all-around performer.  But for me the thing that sets this apart from other knives, even the Sebenza, is the ergonomics.  Let's be honest--Spyderco schools the rest of the cutlery world on ergonomics.  Very rarely do knives beat the Spyderco of the same size and price.  Its their thing (and a good thing to specialize in).  But with the Strider, I think I have found a knife that has the fit and finish of a Sebenza (or maybe a little more) with the ergonomics of a Spyderco (or maybe a little more).

At this point, I have reviewed so many things and I have had so many knives pass through my hands that I don't really have any buyer's attachment, even to a $300 blade.  If it stunk I would say so, but here, it doesn't.  I really, really like the PT CC.  It is a great but imperfect EDC knife.  It is worth the hassle of tracking it down.  

Update: 17 out of 20, 1 point off for grind.

Over the years I have come to realize that the grind on this knife is just too thick.  The problem with the blade, made evident by the use of things like the Indian River Jack, is that the blade is just monstrously thick behind the cutting edge.  That final cutting bevel grind is so acute in large part because of the stock's thickness that the knife cut poorly in places where slicing was required.  It is hardly a shock to say this, but the Strider is better for hard use tasks, and given the size of the PT and my needs, that combination--small but pry capable--never came up.  Even compared to the also port stock of the Techno, the Strider wasn't a great cutter, and, in the end, that is why you own a knife.  

19 comments:

  1. Thanks for this, been sitting on the fence with this one too - the cc seems to be the only one in stock in Canada and I'm not a fan of no pocket clip either - how do you plan to remedy that (I haven't gotten a good look at the locking side, is there provision for a clip)?

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  2. Here is how I am going to rememdy it:

    http://www.everydaycommentary.com/2013/06/strider-pt-cc-pocket-clip.html

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    1. Ah I missed that part, I'd be interested, I'll send you an email with my info.

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  3. I could get pat the choil maybe. But that riccasso is just too much for me I think. I don't know what to think about Striders in general. Always seemed like high dollar mall-ninja knives to me. The SJ75 is a little interesting though. Great review though, maybe I'll come around after handling one for more than a few seconds.

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  4. Tony,

    I couldn't agree with you more. I always wanted a dragonfly on steriods. The PT is it. I just received a regular "lego" version with Black G10/Flamed Titanium with Black coated S35vn (called the stealth version). I used to exclusively use large knives (Spyderco Military, Endura, etc) however after discovering your site I have strayed more towards smaller blades, and subsequently discovered that I only need smaller blades and the correct one can do almost everything a larger blade can. It all started with your review of the Dragonfly II and after getting one it changed my philosophy on knives. I have since sold all my knives, due in part to having a new child, but have kept only the ones deemed essential - The Strider PT, Victorinox Explorer, and a Great Eastern Cutlery #55 Houndstooth. Each represent all I will need in life. Though I am sure I will get more knives in my life when finances allow. But one thing is for sure the PT will be staying (from the steel, the ergos, the length, the fit and finish and materials) this one is a winner. Thank you for taking the time to review this and reassuring those on the fence that the Striders of today are better than the Striders of yesterday. And though you may get flamed I agree with you saying the fit and finish is better than the Sebenza (I used to own 3 of them back when I had the money to do so)

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  5. I always wanted a PT but waffled on the price and potential for QA issues. Carried a friends PT for two weeks and was almost sold until I happened to pick up a Spyderco Techno on a whim and...I'm being completely sincere here...the Techno is twice the knife the PT is supposed to be at 1/2 the price.

    All the things one loves in the PT are simply enhanced in the Techno...better clip or hell, A CLIP, upgraded CTS-XHP steel, very similar blade profile...all Ti scales in up-to-the-minute contemporary stone wash on the entire knife, great sharpening ricasso, etc. etc. etc. The PT is a really nice EDC folder but the Techno is better.

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    1. I am not sure XHP is an upgrade over S35VN. I am not sure though. The stone wash on the PT CC is spectacular. As for the all Ti scales...meh. All of those things are either opinions or unknowns.

      Two things that aren't: the choil on the PT and the weight. The PT CC weighs 2.4 ounces and the Techno hits 3.8. That is a big difference for no real reason.

      All of the reasons in the first paragraph are things I think break in favor of the PT, but the things in the second paragraph seal the deal.

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    2. I can understand your point of view and had I not held both in my hands and used each I might even agree. I can also understand your appreciation of the PT's choil (I genuinely like a finger choil too) but the Techno's lack of it is a non-issue when it is used hard, a truly unique use of space in scale design...indeed the lack of a finger choil also leaves room for the large amount of useful bevel/edge, wasting nothing.

      Steels...well, we'll have to disagree...as much as I like S30v and S35v as entry level super steels, XHP is superior in edge holding that absolute razor sharpness w/o being chippy, and I think many would agree. And Mother of God...its slicing ability for a FFG blade with a 4.5mm spine just defies logic! The way this knife handles cutting chores is incredible. Your preference for G10 on the presentation scale, presumably for weight savings is understood, although the additional 1.4oz of heft in this case for an uber cool chunky EDC folder just adds to its charisma and frankly, is hardly a "load-out" concern. We're talkin' under 4oz here...not 5 or 6?!

      Lastly, a Spydie hole vs. thumb studs, and I know this is subjective but the Techno just looks modern and cool and in no way says mall ninja like the PT. I'll no doubt catch flack for that comment, and truth is I really like Striders tough tacticool look but not when I actually have to pull in out to use it in mixed company.

      Many have commented on various forums how this little sleeper of a folder has supplanted their sm. Sebbie's from their pockets. The Techno is just one of those rare mechanical designs that is more than the sum of its low parts count and has to be used to actually see that...just my thoughts.

      Keep up the reviews Tony...really enjoy your site!

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  6. Tony great work as always. I have to say the zero on no clip is the only point I dont see. I say that because I have thought the cc was for Concealed carry , no clip and profile of handle

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  7. Great review. Two suggestions
    1) I disagree with the retention, a pocket is a means of retention. A clip would actually make the knife bulkier.
    2) Some thought needs to be given to price. Sure, many are willing to pay and I don't want to carry junk but what does a price to value ratio give? I see the ZDP-189 D-Fly blowing this knife out of the water at the price point.

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    1. I did mention price specifically in the conclusion paragraph. I don't typically address value in reviews because there is nothing to use as a comparison and because value, which is performance/price, is a personal calculation. We all make or have different amounts of money and so for a person with their first job, $30 is a lot of money and $300 is too much to pay for anything. For others, $300 is fine. I am pickier with more expensive stuff, so value does come in a little bit.

      As for the comparison to the Dragonfly, yes, this is not as good a value. I do like the ZDP-189 steel better, but it is so close as to not make much of a difference. This knife is hardier than the DFII. The thicker blade stock and the blade shape all make a difference. The tip on the DFII is so much thinner compared to this knife.

      I love both knives, but if there were no price difference I'd take the PT. There is a price difference and that is what makes this interesting.

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    2. Any issues with lock rock? My SJ-75 had horrible lock rock and is currently back at Strider to have it looked at.

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    3. None yet. The lock geometry is much different than older models. Maybe that is why there is a difference.

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  8. Thanks for the review. I've been lucky enough to have owned a couple PTs(along with several other Striders). I personally can't stand choils that eat cutting edge and G-10/Ti handled knives, but I still dig Striders.

    Off track, but I will add another vote for the Techno. I've been carrying mine for just a bit less than a year now, every day, and am simply amazed at how well it serves me. In my mind, it's a better knife than the PT, the Sebenza(my default EDC for nearly 6.5 years)or the Hinderer 3" XM-18. I've owned them all and wouldn't pause for a second if asked which I'd prefer to carry. The Techno just works!

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  9. Hello Tony,

    I share your attraction to the Strider PT CC and have carried it for a few years now. I enjoy the fact that I can treat it as a tool and not worry too much about damaging the blade. I'm also mindful of the local laws and this is one of the better hard-use knives that fit the restrictive statutes of the city.

    I have a suggestion for an alternate carry method that has served me well. I use a Makr angle wallet:
    http://makr.com/angle-wallet-ox-blood-chromexcel

    The blade fits well at an angle, tip down with the blade against the inside long edge. Placed in the wallet, the knife remains upright in my right front pocket and can be easily retrieved. Over time the leather has printed to the knife and nestles it safely away from other pocket contents. There are cheaper alternatives, but Makr is specifically what I carry.

    I hope others find this helpful. I will continue to carry my clipless PT CC every day. Other knives have come and gone in the rotation, but this one remains.

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  11. I've never been a huge fan of striders. Maybe it's the mall-ninjaness and too-large size of them but I had essentially written them off even though my local shop is always pushing them. A few weeks ago the owner of my local shop let me handle one similar to this custom version of the pt cc (note the clip!) http://m.ebay.com/itm/301041784216?nav=SEARCH&sbk=1 . I was in the shop to handle a small sebenza for a while before making that purchase and I almost didn't get the sebenza. I was really pleasantly surprised by the pt cc. If they had had a non-custom (read non $700) version of it, I think I would be rocking the pt cc now rather than the sebenza (which I love- great knife too). The size, ergos, blade action, everything described in this review was just really well executed. So much so that it made me re-think strider after only a few minutes of play time. Now this review has made me want one evenm more :-)

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